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EaT Macros · May 30, 2006, 10:04 AM // 10:04

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Originally Posted by Byron

With all the nerf-this, nerf-that chatter going around, GW may turn into a chess match on the next expansion.

Chess is high level play, so I hope it becomes more tactical yes

axe · May 30, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

I have to say one of the things I LOVE about guild wars is that it has a lot of MAgic The Gathering aspects built into it. And for those of us that play/ed MTG we have watched it evolve into a very nice competitive game with TONS of variety.

The game has had its share of nerfs as well and they banned/limited certain cards from being played in competitive play.

To get back to the topic I am a fan of FOTM builds as well as balanced, I think it spices the game up nicely. I think what we have are too few FOTM builds, we have a few common builds, Balance, IWAY, BloodSpike, Ranger Spike, Dual Smite. Then some not so common builds VIMWAY, Touch Rangers, Pokeway, Edgebomb, and Minion Factory.

As we get more skills we may see this list grow into a very nice variety of builds that are successful, and then it will get more exciting. I hope that the FOTM list grows so huge that one day I will be playing and be HAPPY to see someone running IWAY, I will think to myself "WOW havent seen IWAY run in a while, these guys must be old school"

Variety makes the game fun, when we take away FOTM and nerf certain skills, we are forcing everyone to then switch and evolve into something else that works, till eventually there is only one build and that build will come down to skill and when both teams are equally skilled it will come down to luck. And thats when a game loses the special somthing that keeps us all playing it.

I LOVE IWAY, I love any build that favors warriors because that is my favorite class to play. If another build comes along that uses 4 warriors as effectively, I will definately be jumping on that FOTM.

I look forward to new classes, new skills, and new FOTMs it keeps things interesting for me.

pigdestroyer · May 30, 2006, 08:47 PM // 20:47

thinking an Iway player with r6+ doesnt knows shit about other professions is retarded

Zui · May 30, 2006, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Ok, then, go ask a warrior spamming "IWAY LF R6++++++++++++++++++++ IWAY" to monk for you. See how well they do.

dbgtboy · May 30, 2006, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Zui

Ok, then, go ask a warrior spamming "IWAY LF R6++++++++++++++++++++ IWAY" to monk for you. See how well they do.

you can say the same thing to ANYONE who doesnt regularly play monk, and see how well they do.

NoHomework · May 31, 2006, 05:05 AM // 05:05

Ok... ask that player to play shock axe in a condition heavy degen build. 5k says he rage quits after he calls a bonded/protspirited/guardianed/healing seeded/shield of deflection/balathazar's aurad/reversal of fortune laden ranger target 1,000 times and nobody "pressures" them.

Zui · May 31, 2006, 06:52 AM // 06:52

Good point, I guess. I'd expect most rank 6+ players to have at least some experience playing somthing other than one class in one build. But let's say that's all that's required - playing one class.

How about asking them to play any kind of hammer warrior? How about a CoP/Axe warrior? How about any kind of sword warrior? Shock axe? Axe/PT? Dbout it very much. How about play a TF/Axe in a balance? Dbout they'd do very well even with that. What about run all primary warrior skills, what do you want to bet they'd end up using frenzy when overextended and being pounded upon, or using a simple skill like Bull's Strike on a non-moving target? Point made.

The non-gimmickway rank 6+ players could probably play a decent anything if you asked. Obviously not to it's full potential, but at least decently.

croc · May 31, 2006, 07:14 AM // 07:14

just playing devils advocate here.
If you take a rank 6 balanced player and get them to play iway, would they be any good?

tomcruisejr · May 31, 2006, 08:27 AM // 08:27

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Originally Posted by croc

just playing devils advocate here.
If you take a rank 6 balanced player and get them to play iway, would they be any good?

rank 6 balanced warrior players can. but the rest cant

Zui · May 31, 2006, 08:36 AM // 08:36

IWAY is a monkless warrior-heavy pressure build with an extremely noob friendly design. Every single charactar is very easy to play, they're designed that way. Both trappers are self-explanatory, trap, lay spirits, and in the case of one hit martyr when your team has alot of conditions. Tainted necro uses tainted flesh, spams putrid, uses ele spells when called for. Order necro heals and casts order of pain. Warriors set spirits, then go hack away at stuff. In addition to that, every death makes them more powerful, and they all cary res sigs.

With all the complication, I'd be supprised if you can find a rank 6 balanced player that can't play IWAY well. This means earned rank 6, not ebayed rank 6, and not payed for rank 6.

axe · May 31, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Every build has a learning curve even IWAY and bloodspike. I only have 23 fame and its all from IWAY, I am still learning how to be a "noob" IWAY warrior. The thing is when I watch [MATH] run IWAY I see the skill of their players, it is ran very effectively and its fun to watch. Anyone who has to play unranked PUG IWAY knows what Im talking about.

Right now HA is a lot of fun for me, I am playing for the experience and the enjoyment of it. It is a lot of fun to see the various builds and the strategies involved in dealing with them. As I play more I gain more and more confidence in my abilities as a warrior and I dont think playing IWAY is hindering this learning in any way. I like playing a damage dealing warrior and IWAY is the best build for me in that regard.

If I fame farm myself on IWAY all the way up to R6 (which I dont have the patience to do) I will be sure of a few things, 1) I am confident with my knowledge of the HA maps, 2) I am familiar with all the mainstream builds, I know their strategy, not how to play them, but from fighting against them, I know what to expect, and 3) I know I never EVER want to play in a group less than r6 ever again.

So if I try to play something new like balance, I will have a tough time my first few goes, but I have a feeling that after a few r6 balanced runs I will be a pretty darn good shock warrior or whatever type of warrior the build calls for.

As for a monk, well that would have a much steeper learning curve for me even though I do play Monk in PVE. But as others have mentioned switching classes entirely is difficult for any class in any build.

Yunas Ele · May 31, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Kep

I constantly game after game come across incescent abuse from Iway and spiking players which is un-needed, and they simply abuse us because of who we are.

Your guild has got to be one of the biggest trash talking guilds in the game. Of course your going to get trash talked back because of "who you are" (you are trash talkers). Trash talk people and they trash talk you back. Its simple logic.

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Originally Posted by Kep

if a crap Iway team can beat a r9 balanced team which happens often.

Because we all know rank = skill, right?

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Originally Posted by allience

i don't have anything personal against IWAY. it's just a build with its strenght and weakness. what i do hate, is that most of the iway players are shit talkers with bad manners and sore losers. and when they do win, they talk even more shit..

*looks at your guild tag*

Wait, your complaining about other people talking shit, having bad manners, and being sore losers? Can anyone say hypocrite? I've yet to meet a member of SWIM that doesn't have all of those mentioned qualities, but I'd be more than happy if you want to prove me otherwise by being the first.

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

Actually 100% of the iwayers (i mean people who do only iway, not people who only do it a little) have no understanding of the game. I especially hate fighting against iway in halls, because so little of them have ever been there and they dont know how to win.

Way to pull that stastic out of your ass. If IWAYers have no experience in halls (which is clearly a steaming pile of BS), shouldn't you be glad your fighting them. Inexperienced team = free win.

I'm not even going to bother responding to the rest of the BS you pulled out of your ass and posted.

dbgtboy · May 31, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by Zui

With all the complication, I'd be supprised if you can find a rank 6 balanced player that can't play IWAY well. This means earned rank 6, not ebayed rank 6, and not payed for rank 6.

I've seen r9 and r10 balanced players play iway and suck ass at it, they are not used to playing the iway way, they are too used to getting healed when almost dead.

Snype · Jun 01, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by allience

i don't have anything personal against IWAY. it's just a build with its strenght and weakness. what i do hate, is that most of the iway players are shit talkers with bad manners and sore losers. and when they do win, they talk even more shit..

i'm sure MATH puts effort into their strategy, it takes good teamplay to beat an organised balanced. sadly i often see shit talkers, noobs and bad mannered players from MATH guild. maybe u should recruit ur players with more care?
i still remember at a 5-way hall match, 2 of ur players just ran off sprinting in different directions and ur other, dead, were just talking shit. this is what i call sore losers. i wish i had taken a screen shot, it was very lame and frustrating.

i still have hope though. today, we encountered 2 very civil pug iway teams. i was amazed when they didn't just run off the map raging. they just behaved normally and did their best without hurling insults.

Ok you really need to stop complaining about "shit talkers". You ARE in [SWIM] arent you? I recall your members trash talking TONS when my pug beat you. And it wasn't "funny" either. I mean, calling someone a nub is one thing, but some of the things you guys have said to me and my teamates can be very harsh. : /

shardfenix · Jun 20, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

Way to pull that stastic out of your ass. If IWAYers have no experience in halls (which is clearly a steaming pile of BS), shouldn't you be glad your fighting them. Inexperienced team = free win.

I'm not even going to bother responding to the rest of the BS you pulled out of your ass and posted.

1: You iway.

2: I was exaggerating. I know that there are 3 good iway players out there, but it's such a small number I just ignored it.

3: I didn't know you could say ass on the forums ^^

4: If iway really knew what they were doing, why is the longest iway hold (please correct me if I'm wrong) is 5 HoH wins. The average iway hold is 1.2 or something like that. I see iway win halls once or twice a day, and rarely see it win 2 or more times in a row. Any half decent balanced or spike team can win halls 3-4 times in a row if they play it well. Iway at its best still needs luck to win even twice.

Fragui · Jun 20, 2006, 08:42 AM // 08:42

The problem is people dont understand that there is a difference betwen r3+ iway player and r8+ iway players.. thats all.

art_ · Jun 20, 2006, 10:38 AM // 10:38

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Originally Posted by Snype

Ok you really need to stop complaining about "shit talkers". You ARE in [SWIM] arent you? I recall your members trash talking TONS when my pug beat you. And it wasn't "funny" either. I mean, calling someone a nub is one thing, but some of the things you guys have said to me and my teamates can be very harsh. : /

Heheh. No offense to you guys, but decent players of balance like SWIM are wouldn't have any problem slotting into an IWAY team if they chose to whilst IWAYers *might have difficulties doing the reverse.

*read 'would'

Lando Griffen · Jun 20, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

I wish people would get a life and quit arguiing about "skills" involved in a video game...People play this to have fun, iwayers or not, that's why most people play. If you consistantly get beaten by iway then you should get a better build, or start iwaying yourself. Why do high ranked guilds trash talk iway? Because they're angry little nerds who need to take their aggression out on something. Don't want unranked people to start playing iway?...teach them how to play then. I watched [MATH] in gvg, didn't look to me like they didn't know what they were doing. Anyway, I don't see what the big deal is, omg, iwayers can't monk better than some guy who's never played iway...get outside and get some fresh air, maybe you'll realize it doesn't matter. You either can beat iway or you can't, aside from that, who cares?

geminisaga · Jun 21, 2006, 02:26 AM // 02:26

yes yes SWIM is a big trash talker, lot from u do it. just admit it, god knows it anyway , GG!!

art_ · Jun 21, 2006, 05:43 AM // 05:43

They only trash talk to iway